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ted fenton 7:14 Sat Jun 11
England V Italy Nations League

I see that tonights game against Italy is behind closed doors !!!
Gareth Southgate says it is an "embarrassment" for England to be playing Italy behind closed doors in the Nations League on Saturday.

The Football Association was hit with a two-match ban, one suspended, following the behaviour of fans ahead of the Wembley defeat by Italy in last summer's Euro 2020 final.
There will be around 3,000 people in attendance at Molineux this weekend, largely made up of U14 schoolchildren who under UEFA rules are allowed free admission to fixtures played behind closed doors.
Would love to see Bowen get another start.

Channel 4 are showing the game.

Far Cough 10:53 Wed Jun 15
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Indeed it was 1953

martinbritt_63 10:32 Wed Jun 15
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Far Cough 10:27 Wed Jun 15

Nov 25th 1953
England 3 Hungary 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wdW5p3jd2Y

Far Cough 10:27 Wed Jun 15
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Shades of Hungary 1956 with Puskas, Hidegkuti and Kocsis

Embarrassing

Jasnik 1:56 Wed Jun 15
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or is it Bowen fault. as since he been in the squad we not won a game?

Jasnik 1:56 Wed Jun 15
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Anyone blaming Rice for this ?

El Scorchio 10:18 Tue Jun 14
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Just watching the Hungary game. Absolutely shambolic. No apparent plan going forward. They all seem lost again in this weird formation Southgate is insisting on. AND losing deservedly.

How is James a Chelsea player? Absolute shit. Phillips is struggling- how on earth is he even compared to Rice? Baffling. Bellingham looks pretty dreadful as well.

Nagel 2:33 Sun Jun 12
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No need to get all upset, Surface. I just thought it was funny that your argument could so easily be turned on its head to show that there is actually a comparison.

Wils 2:23 Sun Jun 12
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Nagel 2:07 Sun Jun 12

I think ultimately that's what most people think, they are there for the football and won't let things like this get in the way of it, which is fair enough and quite refreshing considering how much politics has seeped into the game.

But it does feel a bit pathetic to take national pride in the achievements of individuals who have a very tenuous and sometimes suspiciously convenient relation to your own nationality.

Takashi Miike 2:23 Sun Jun 12
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"You are what you feel you are."

bluerinseagentzero transitioning to left wing cunt, massive shock 😂

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 2:20 Sun Jun 12
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Nagel 1:21 Sun Jun 12

Incidentally, I don't think anyone was talking about gender until you stuck your oar in. You wouldn't be deliberately conflating gender and sex, would you?

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 2:18 Sun Jun 12
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Nagel 1:21 Sun Jun 12

Excellent! We agree they are entirely different.

I'd be happier if your reasoning didn't make you look a complete cunt, but I guess I can't have everything.

BRANDED 2:10 Sun Jun 12
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If you can identify as a bird but have a cock you can identify as British if you’re an Arab

Nagel 2:07 Sun Jun 12
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Personally I don't really like it that someone like Diego Costa could play for Spain after not moving there until aged 18. Would prefer it to be limited to those who move before they're 16, but in the end it's only a fucking game anyway, so the rules are arbitrary and equal for all, and don't matter all that much unless you've got a political agenda.

Wils 1:51 Sun Jun 12
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"Terry Butcher was born in Singapore. Is he any less English?"

He had English parents so he plays for England through English ancestry, not because he went on to live in England. His father was in navy that's why he was born where he was.

It's a sensitive debate as everyone is scared to be seen as not inclusive these days. But there is clearly a more permissive view of what qualifies someone to be 'of England' within FIFA than there is in society at large. Reading those rules from FIFA an 18-year-old landing in Dover on one of the boats crossing the channel can be playing for the national side by 23 if we grant him asylum (which they nearly all do get granted).

I know there are plenty of open-borders anti-nationalists that love foreigners in the team to own the gammon, but I imagine there are a lot of moderate people in the middle who would baulk at someone off of one of those boats being considered for the national team in 5 years as FIFA allow.

Sven Roeder 1:22 Sun Jun 12
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If Nasser Hussain had declared he was INDIAN when he was 18 he would have most likely have had to get a job as Essex would have presumably been reluctant to use an overseas player spot on him.
Football is different as Premier league clubs have less restriction on FOREIGNERS

The qualification rules are fairly generous and as said players have the right to make a choice that suits them.

Nagel 1:21 Sun Jun 12
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I see no correlation between the complicated matter of what gender you feel a true affinity with, and the entirely simple, factual matter of whether you were born in a specific country. There is no comparison at all.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:13 Sun Jun 12
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Wils

I see no correlation between the complicated matter of what country you feel a true affinity with, and the entirely simple, factual matter of whether you were born with a cock or a womb. There is no comparison at all

goose 1:09 Sun Jun 12
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Terry Butcher was born in Singapore. Is he any less English?

Wils 1:04 Sun Jun 12
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote...

"You are what you feel you are."

So you can represent a group of people who don't regard you as one of them along you declare yourself to be one of them? Some similarities to the current trans debate.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:15 Sun Jun 12
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Anyone ever tell Nasser Hussain he isn't English without getting a crack over the head with a bat? He moved here when he was seven and has no English antecedents. You are what you feel you are.

goose 11:24 Sun Jun 12
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wd40 10:26 Sun Jun 12
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Nah the stupidity comes from asking how someone born in Canada & playing in Italy can be playing for England.

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